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sl.ErdnussJack
post Nov 26 2006, 07:58 PM
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It is fact that many players in the Top100 play only once within 7 days for a short time. They don't want to mess up their ranking. Unfortunately, this isn't according to a ranking and to offer such players an incentive for playing and not penalize active players respectively we have made a "short-lived" ranking now.
This means one doesn't play, the rating is made go down easily so (after 24 hours of inactivity). The more inactive player and the higher his rating, the more steeply he falls in the ranking. The whole isn't as bad as it listens to it here.

For example, we have a 20-rating player: If he plays every two days then he loses every two days 0.03 rating points. If he plays only every 5 days then he loses 0.33 each within 5 days. Within 14 days abstinence he loses already 3.02 points. However, these are all values which one can easily make up again. How we recognize does the new modification apply primarily to players who don't play.
Active players are virtually untouched of this and that is also not bad.

In addition, we have reduced the minimum player limit from 8 to 6 players test wise and therefore more players should get a valid session. If the practice tests are positive we keep the new player limit.


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post Nov 28 2006, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(Eragon @ Nov 27 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]31030[/snapback]

Any time man
I play on this server
88.191.17.88:27960
I am the 8 best on it (VPS)
Hope to see you soon
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----->But soon im going to start playing Etpro<--------
So you will find me there 01lol.gif
And im going to give ya a lesson spanking.gif readthis.gif
That you wont forget motz.gif
oh and how old are you?


Dude, that sentence really makes me laugh, you may have a high rank on SL but as previously mentioned by several other posts that because you play on noob servers, don't get me wrong i like Jaymod to, even my server is jaymod as i thk ETpro has taken to much fun out of the game for public play. What i must stress tho, if and when you play ETpro servers, i think !! you will find your not quite as good as your rank suggests. zwink.gif Go flame me all you want, i couldnt care less, but what im saying is pretty dam correct.

Heres an example using myself, When my server was ETpro my splatterladder rank ranged from 12000 - 13500 ish ok and my server was filled more often than not with SL ranked (ETpro) players from 1000 - around 6000 And these guys are good players in clanbase etc in "good" clans.
Now my server is Jaymod, my SL rank is falling loads, its now around 3300, now my skills havent changed neither has my hardware etc, its just the fact the players that play there now are just less skilled!!, thats a fact ! and i get more score-per-minute so my rank increases.

So overall i would consider your SL rank not as accurate as you might think.

EDIT just looked at the top 10 players, and GUESS where they all mostly play ?? ETpub , Jaymod XP save servers etc... NOT 1 ETpro..

But on the subject of the SL rank, I think the only really fair way to track and rank players is to divide it into Different Server Mods, Therefore the score-per-min would be more relative to the "noob" servers as it would to the skilled players who only play ETpro servers. I think then and only then the rank system would be more accurate and imo would seperate the men from the boys zwink.gif

bye for now

This post has been edited by |24/7|.GHOST: Nov 28 2006, 07:43 AM


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Warmonger
post Nov 28 2006, 10:57 AM
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No offense intended, but it sounds to me as if none of you undertand how the new system works at ALL. Almost nothing said above is relevant to the way the new system works: the new Elo-based system that begun a month or two ago.

Players are NOW only compared to people playing the SAME map, with the SAME spawntimes, using the SAME mod, in the SAME server, at the SAME TIME as that player. None of what is complained about above matters anymore...that was the WHOLE POINT of the change. These were all valid complaints BEFORE the change, which is why the change was instituted. This is ALL FIXED.

Because of the new system, all the players you are ever judged against are playing under the EXACT same conditions that you are. Always. No exceptions...

The only things that DO matter are: your rating compared to the other players ratings (ONLY the ones in the SAME server at the SAME TIME)...and how you perform compared to how they perform (during THAT map on THAT server for THAT session.)

Why is it that none of you noticed the problem of server differences when it actually existed, but think it exists now that it's gone?

The only innaccuracy left is caused by players using NEW NAMES(new clan tags...new colors...whatever) who come in with a ZERO rank and play like their REAL rating. (Even a noob can do better then ZERO) That, however, IS a real problem now, and causes the system to BLEED POINTS. Given enough time, EVERYONE will be ranked at 0.000001

The system will bleed points in this way until registration is REQUIRED for inclusion in the ladder, and provisional (estimated) rankings are assigned to new members. I do not think, however, that they plan on ever doing this. See this thread.

The change THIS thread is about (the inactivity penalty) only makes this problem WORSE. If points are lost somewhere, they must be gained somewhere else. Just like provisional ratings, this is BASIC ELO. Now the system is bleeding even FASTER. Need a Medic!

This post has been edited by Warmonger: Nov 29 2006, 08:11 AM


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- [NooS]ErdnussJack   Fine tuning of the rating-system   Nov 26 2006, 07:58 PM
- - Mikra<<CZ>>   Now this is the worst idea I have ever seen!...   Nov 26 2006, 10:30 PM
- - Milic   yes that no good idea! when we goon hooolidays...   Nov 26 2006, 11:15 PM
- - [NooS]ErdnussJack   It is all about mainly to give the high rated play...   Nov 26 2006, 11:37 PM
|- - sipiatti   QUOTEErdnussJack' date='Nov 26 2006, 11:37...   Nov 27 2006, 07:59 AM
- - Eragon   I dont like that new rating system I only get to ...   Nov 27 2006, 09:59 AM
- - -IronMonkey-   ....man i really agree with this new modification....   Nov 27 2006, 11:41 AM
- - Eragon   Of course ... Monkey You arent even a good player ...   Nov 27 2006, 11:48 AM
- - //ISS-HyperDex*   You all bother in my opinon too much about your pr...   Nov 27 2006, 12:13 PM
- - Milic   lol yes eragon i agree you! i am not pay 30 h ...   Nov 27 2006, 01:17 PM
- - hellyeah   most servers with 25+ slots have noobs on it so yo...   Nov 27 2006, 02:27 PM
- - sipiatti   Of course the main thing in this rating system tha...   Nov 27 2006, 02:48 PM
- - Eragon   Any time man I play on this server 88.191.17.88:27...   Nov 27 2006, 03:07 PM
|- - sipiatti   QUOTE(Eragon @ Nov 27 2006, 03:07 PM) 310...   Nov 27 2006, 05:55 PM
- - Eragon   Yo ok paps Dont get exited Yeah i did paly on DV a...   Nov 27 2006, 06:36 PM
- - RAX   rofl kiddys u all play for sl? omfg this is ...   Nov 27 2006, 06:58 PM
- - sipiatti   why noobish kiddy? an engi with a rifle is a usefu...   Nov 27 2006, 07:24 PM
- - Eragon   k man no problem Said sorry if i was being unres...   Nov 27 2006, 07:47 PM
- - |24/7|.GHOST   QUOTE(Eragon @ Nov 27 2006, 02:07 PM) 310...   Nov 28 2006, 07:33 AM
|- - Warmonger   No offense intended, but it sounds to me as if non...   Nov 28 2006, 10:57 AM
|- - sl.Proddi   ZITAT(Warmonger @ Nov 28 2006, 10:57 AM) ...   Nov 29 2006, 02:21 PM
- - |24/7|.GHOST   QUOTEPlayers are NOW only compared to people playi...   Nov 29 2006, 09:11 AM
- - Milic   o yes that suck who play for rating!!...   Nov 29 2006, 01:30 PM
- - Warmonger   QUOTE(|24/7|.GHOST @ Nov 29 2006, 02:11 A...   Nov 29 2006, 03:20 PM
- - kaisersaucé   Hi all, the big problem is that if one wants to h...   Nov 30 2006, 11:42 AM
- - Eragon   i still dont like the new system ...   Nov 30 2006, 05:29 PM
- - RAX   they can do follow things: ->ignore the whiner...   Nov 30 2006, 07:19 PM
|- - Warmonger   I agree. The new system is much better than before...   Nov 30 2006, 10:29 PM
- - kaisersaucé   Hi all, Damm it we have great admins who try thei...   Dec 1 2006, 02:15 PM
- - Eragon   yeah Thx sl!! Great job for all youv...   Dec 6 2006, 04:46 PM
|- - Pro-MN   hum... some are good.... some are not so good.... ...   Dec 7 2006, 01:51 PM
- - Eragon   Yeah first 1000 are good players And all etpro wit...   Dec 7 2006, 05:30 PM
|- - kaisersaucé   CITATION(Eragon @ Dec 7 2006, 05:30 PM) 3...   Dec 8 2006, 11:33 AM
- - Eragon   i play on jaymod 11vs11 and i also play on etpub a...   Dec 10 2006, 06:00 PM
- - kaisersaucé   hmm i noticed that most of the top 20 players use ...   Dec 15 2006, 06:48 PM
- - B4dTw33dy   Its really weird. The better I become the worse ra...   Dec 16 2006, 07:29 AM
- - Flieger   is the rating system down, cause its not showing a...   Dec 17 2006, 01:44 AM
- - AtteL   The rating-system is going updated once in a day. ...   Dec 17 2006, 08:33 AM
- - Flieger   ok its not my stats, its the stats for the server ...   Dec 18 2006, 03:44 AM
- - Apart   My raing keeps going down and i am palying 1 a 2 h...   Dec 22 2006, 03:03 PM
- - AtteL   Wich servers you're playing?   Dec 22 2006, 03:47 PM
- - .:EEF:.Tun!ng   is 1388 also good? Greetz .:EEF:.Tun!ng   Dec 24 2006, 05:19 PM
- - **Slinger   Does no one here play to just play anymore? FFS, s...   Dec 28 2006, 09:03 PM
|- - NWO*SKEET   QUOTE(**Slinger @ Dec 28 2006, 02:03 PM) ...   Jan 3 2007, 09:48 AM
|- - NHLfan   ZITAT(NWO*SKEET @ Jan 3 2007, 09:48 AM) 3...   Jan 8 2007, 03:32 PM
- - B@dMO_13   I dont really agre with this new rule either coz i...   Jan 8 2007, 01:20 PM
|- - -IronMonkey-   QUOTE(B@dMO_13 @ Jan 8 2007, 01:20 PM) 33...   Jan 8 2007, 04:49 PM
- - B@dMO_13   Thx Monkey i apprataite it, i aint been playing th...   Jan 8 2007, 09:10 PM
- - [FUBR]Hyperkill   goof   Jan 17 2007, 10:56 PM
- - DemonTheKiller   I like to know how the new system work, as I see m...   Jan 29 2007, 11:42 PM
- - sLy ?   ZITAT(DemonTheKiller @ Jan 29 2007, 11:42...   Jan 30 2007, 02:49 PM
- - *HoF* Busta   Is there a way of getting rid of all the inactive ...   Feb 7 2007, 11:57 PM


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